Some link economy with crime wave

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

Tell you anti guns freaks what, when you turn over your Heroin, your Cocaine, and you can guarantee that poverty, and crime will no longer exist, I will hand in my guns. Until them, if you come to harm my family, YOU will regret it.

13 votes

#1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:24 PM EDT

Get your numbers and your facts straight HappyS. There are 64 million plus gun owners in America and we did not kill anyone yesterday!

You don’t hunt fine; you don’t like to shoot firearms, fine. But don’t tell me what I can have and can’t have in my home and on my property and we will get along fine.

I live in the country and it takes 20min or better for the Sherriff to come out to my home. I count on my self for protection, and if I think I need an AR-15 to do the job, then so be it!

According to the 2007 FBI crime report (2008 numbers won't be out until fall) less than 1% of murders in the United States are committed with what are classified as "assault weapons".

Here are the FBI 2007 murder statistics by weapon:

Knives -12%

Hands and feet - 6%

Blunt Objects – 4%

Rifles – 3%

Shotguns - 3%

"Assault Weapons" - 1%

If our agenda is to stop the killing we need to ban private ownership of knives, hands, feet, and "blunt objects" before we look at assault weapon bans. Guns are not the problem; they just get the press coverage.

Also, according to this report, cities with the tightest gun control laws, like Detroit, Baltimore, and the District of Columbia, have the highest murder rates.

On the flip side, total violent crime in right to carry states is 24% less than other states. They have 28% less murder, 50% less robbery and 11% less aggravated assault. Bad guys don't like the thought of their victim being armed so they go where they know their victims can't shoot back.

Facts don't lie, but gun ban advocates do. Go back to France Please, where it is safe

15 votes

#1.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:17 PM EDT

You can defend your family just fine with a rifle, its hand guns that need to go. It is just too easy to conceal a hand gun, and what are they for? You really can't hunt with one. Most are advertised as excelent personal safety weapons, not hunting pistols. I am not in favor of taking away more of our freedoms, but how about ending the idea that a gun even makes you safer. Unless its in your hand when someone does something, its not going to help you anyway.

7 votes

#1.3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:22 PM EDT

You are wrong less gears,

I have carried a Hand gun for 20 years. I shot a bear who broke into my hunting cabin while I was asleep, I shot a cougar who attempted to attack my 5 year old daughter and my wife while we were hiking in a national forest, and I severely beat a man who snatched a purse from a 70 year old lady “ I never took my side arm out if its holster the entire time I beat the rat sh@# out of him” I am not a criminal, do not attempt to make me one. If you try to commit a crime against me and my family, I will come down on you with a vengeance you can’t imagine. I do not count on others to protect my family and do not look for trouble.

You need people out here like me, when you are screaming for help, don’t you want someone to come running? Or should I burry my head and call 911 while you are being raped or assaulted? It is time we stand up to crime! Buy a gun and learn how to use it safely!

11 votes

#1.5 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:25 PM EDT

JonBoy,

It's attitudes like yours that piss me off. You say your not a criminal yet you jump directly to violence as your comeback. If someone robbed an old lady, by all means subdue them, but then call the police and let them do their job (if their not out ticketing some kid for riding a skateboard or something). No, you take pleasure in beating the crap out of the guy. I can defend myself just fine without a gun. I am not against guns. Not one bit, its hand guns that need to go. I will say this again, You can protect yourself just fine with a rifle. That bear you talk about, a rifle will do the job just fine. That cougar, once again just fine. If you didn't take out the pistol when the time WAS right (hold the jerk at gunpiont until the cops come) what is your point? Is it that you think pistols are good, or that you think your a bad ass who beat up some jerk who should have just gone to jail? "You will come down on me with a vengence I won't believe" there is a good Christan thought for you. Go back to your trailer park you redneck pile.

3 votes

#1.6 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:01 PM EDT

tired of carrying everyone

happysocialist985 - tell that to all the Muslims that rioted in France after the peaceful demonstrations pertaining to Israel invading Palestine to get rid of Hamas.

I still remember the Algerians firebombing the French Police Stations, cars in Paris and stabbings and beating of French Citizens. But of course 985 must be when you were born so you would not know.

Did they teach you about the French Revolution in School (ecole), do you still know why you celebrate Bastille Day (Fete Nationale), 14 July.

Do you know what would have happened if the French Military would have remained loyal to the King and killed the Revolutionaries (unarmed). Fortunely for you the French Military sided with the Revolution.

Did you forget that the French participated on the side of the American Colonists to gain their independence from the British (English). And I guess you do not believe in the Declaration des droits de l'Homme et du citoyen or already gave up those rights without knowing. C'est bete (stupid).

Do you know why the Legion etrangere was previously not allowed to enter France.

I know they should require Compulsory US Military Service to earn your Citizenship like most European Countries including you happysocialist985.

Can you say, Francais par le sang verse.

es que vous etes bete?

STOP BEING A TROLL.

You never got out of the 18 th century, have you?? No wonder you are falling behind all other industrialized countries in the world..

We are falling behind all the other industrialized countries because certain special interests in the United States do not want fully automated robotic manufacturing.

Stop ass-u-me ing.

OPINIONS ARE LIKE RECTAL ORIFICES EVERYONE HAS GOT ONE; BUT YOURS ARE SMELLIER THAN EVERYONE ELSES.

3 votes

#1.7 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:01 PM EDT

I am female and originally from the state of Michigan. Growing up there my dad was a teacher in an inner city school. He taught school there from 1958 to 1990. During that period of time alot of bad things went on. He talked to serveral police from state all the way down to local they told him and later when I worked with them that even though the cars said "serve and protect". it did not mean for individuals. There primary responsiblity was protect businesses and government buildings. They said that if someone broke the law at that point they would do the rest. I never really thought much about that but when I moved to south the area I moved into I continued to work with the police. One day I decided to ask one of them about protecting yourself. He told me that I am not protected by him or other law enforcement 24 hour 7 days a week. He said if there was ever anything he was called upon to do his job it was after it was to late and he said that you could do what ever was necessary to protect myself. Case in point Here locally 3 young criminals broke in a home of an ederly couple. They beat the husband with in and inch of his life tied him up and made him watch them rape his wife for three hours they were brutally assaulted. This happend three year ago to this day they have not caught them. These folks will have to live with that for the rest of their life. There are all sorts of crimes that happen everyday that are just horrific but they are not front page news. Woman have been held by a knife and raped and than stabbed repeatedly to death but because it was not a firearm it is not front page news. So there is alot of horrible things in the world and not all things that happen with are with a firearm.

9 votes

#1.8 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:08 PM EDT

You are a moron to think I live in a trailer park. I happen live in the suburbs on a beautiful lake, the median home cost is 850,000.00 and my home which I almost own outright is one the same “¾ of a million dollar homes” I have property in Montana, and in Washington that we spend time at as a family. My wife and I are college educated and work in corporate America.

Never assume you know anything about me. What I did to protect a person who screamed for help 15 years ago I would do again. If it had been my grandmother I would have probably shot this much older than me at the time criminal! It was no street punk I beat the hell out of.

As far a parks, you cannot carry a gun in a legally, so I guess I am now a criminal. You don’t want to own a gun, fine, but don’t tell, me what I can and cannot use to defend my life, liberty, and freedom.

8 votes

#1.9 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:29 PM EDT

MeToo-596567

Well Jonboy, we completely agree on this issue, I do no like the way we are treated on these boards, as if we are criminals just because we believe in owning our guns and protecting ourselves.

6 votes

#1.10 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:44 PM EDT

P.R.-737366

Happysocialist985
I am very happy that you live in France too! Stay there and keep your nose out of americas business. I don't remember all of you frogs yelling about americans and their guns 65 years ago. If it hadn't been for us, just what language do you think you would be speaking today. Lets see who you come running for when the Muslims finally get your country. You know what, don't call us, we'll call you!

7 votes

#1.11 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:48 PM EDT

Eileen V-635375

Ok, I'm back on my bandwagon....what percentage of these whack jobs were on anti-depressants? Almost always, without fail, if you read deeper into these stories the person who flipped out just went on, just had their presciption changed, or just went off anti-depressants.....remember this post, and listen to the news carefully, the meds always come up.

The person was most likely a little off base to begin with, but the meds put them over the edge. Several cases against the pharma. companies have been quietly settled out of court along with a gag order....do the research, I am not making this up.

Guns don't kill people, whack jobs do.

Sincerely,

a commie, pinko-faggot, liberal gun owner, who will fight to the death to keep my constitutional right to bear arms.

5 votes

#1.12 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:47 PM EDT

WOW jonboy, you must not be able to read. How many tmes do I have to say I am not against guns, just concealable ones! You must be the biggest fake on here. One second you live on 500 acres and the next your college educated and live in a $850,000 dollar neighborhood (good for you). Do you even own a gun? I grew up in one of the worst sections of Philadelphia where real crimes happen all of the time. I have had guns in my face with people holding them that wouldn't give a rats ass if they went back to jail for killing me, and yet I am still here and I still don't see the need for pistols. You keep saying catch phrases like your some kind of NRA poster child. Why? You say you will kill me and hang me across your gate to warn others, again, WHY? I am not saying anything about protecting yourself except that I believe you can do it just as good with a rifle as a pistol. Why, if you are such a good law abiding citizen do you feel the need to conceal a weapon? I know first hand the site of a shotgun is more of a deterent than a concealed pistol. Am I wrong? Your whole argument is based on nonsence. Its not shotguns or rifles killing people in my hood, its $50 pistols that any kid can buy off their local dealer that kill people around me, and the ones using them don't care if you have one yourself or not. They shoot first. Hell if you pull yours too, they might even be able to beat the wrap saying it was self defense. Bad things happen to people everyday, but pistols are not going to change that, if they could, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

4 votes

#1.13 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:48 PM EDT

Ian Blokesworth

happysocialist985 - wrote "Guns kill over 30 000 innocent people in america, it is the fact. Your facts are wrong ! "
That's because facts don't include deterrent. How many rapes are avoided when a woman walks with a large male companion? How many muggings are prevented when men walk in gropus? How many home robberies are prevented by the knowledge that the inhabitants will fight back, possibly even with guns? Such conditions create the need for criminals to work in groups.
Wake up, yourself. You're one of the elitist pacifists ready to dial 911 to have trained killers (the police) show up in an hour and do your own self-defense and killing for you.

4 votes

#1.14 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT

John-1018028

Actually, you make a great point... Most of these mass killing happened at very soft targets... An elderly home, an educational facilities for immigrants...

2 votes

#1.15 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:55 PM EDT

Waterdog49

Is this in my imagination or do I read that msnbc is excusing these wacko psychos on account of the economy? This is totally nuts. What should happen is that citizens need to be protected from these freaks. We pay the taxes, and we demand to be protected from these nuts. Period! Furthermore, when is msnbc going to ban the happy socialist from this site once and for all? Isn't it time for the community to collapse him or her forever?

3 votes

#1.16 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:21 PM EDT

Terry Lewis

happysocialist985

guess what the low crime rate areas have in common.

yea we can carry our guns there

idiot

2 votes

#1.17 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 1:06 AM EDT

D-882911

Less Gears, More Beers

I am glad to hear that you are not against all guns and hopefully we can be convincing enough for you to lay down your position on hand guns as well. I write this with the greatest amount of respect and I am not trying to offend so please take that into consideration as I state my opinions.

" If someone robbed an old lady, by all means subdue them, but then call the police and let them do their job (if their not out ticketing some kid for riding a skateboard or something)."

I really don't think that some guy that just robbed an old woman would just sit there and wait with you until the police get there. I would imagine that he would be kicking and doing anything possible to get away. Beating him up in my opinion would have been the only logical way that I can think of to keep him there long enough for the police to show up.

"If you didn't take out the pistol when the time WAS right (hold the jerk at gunpoint until the cops come) what is your point?"

It is illegal for any person to draw their personal firearm and point it at another individual unless you think that someone's life is in mortal danger. If you were to draw your side arm and point it at someone in that situation you better have one heck of an excuse or you will be arrested or and probably lose your handgun for brandishing a firearm. Think about the tv show cops. How many times do you see the officers draw their weapons in a foot chase? Almost never unless they believe that the other person has a gun or a weapon, that is because it is against the law. If you have time google the "21 foot rule" It is just something interesting. http://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/102828-Edged-Weapon-Defense-Is-or-was-the-21-foot-rule-valid-Part-1/

"I will say this again, You can protect yourself just fine with a rifle. That bear you talk about, a rifle will do the job just fine. That cougar, once again just fine."

In regards to this statement in close range combat with a person or an animal you can't swing a rifle around fast enough to get a bead on your target. By the time that a bear or a cougar or a wolf is on top of you, you would be smacking it on the side of the ribs with the barrel of your rifle. A pistol on the other hand is a much more effective close combat weapon in a hand to hand confrontation. If a bear was to jump on you the chances of you holding onto your rifle or a hand gun should be pretty obvious. Also if you have a bear mauling you what do you think the chances of being able to control that rifle enough to get a well placed round? Very Very slim. It is very hard to shoot a rifle accurately on your back with one hand I dare to say it is impossible or very close to that.

"I know firsthand the sight of a shotgun is more of a deterrent than a concealed pistol. Am I "wrong?"

You are on the money and I can't agree with this argument more. But my defenses to this argument are the following. What is a cop going to do if I am walking down your street in Philly with a loaded shotgun on my back? And two have you ever carried a concealed weapon? Even the small ones are uncomfortable I couldn't imagine lugging around a shotgun for personal defense it would be way to impractical.

I hope that you read this message knowing that I have the greatest amount of respect for the law and for all law abiding citizens in this country and that includes yourself. Know this that if the crap ever goes down and I am close to you I will stand up for you and draw my side arm in your defense and I know for a fact that even though JohnBoy is upset by the things you are saying he would have your back also. I hope and pray that I am never in a situation were it would be warranted to draw my firearm but if I ever am. Bad Guy beware I will have your number.

1 vote

#1.18 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 1:22 AM EDT

Auteur 1536

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns can't walk, talk, think or choose; humans do that.

2 votes

#1.19 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 2:38 AM EDT

Thank you. You said this very well. It is just more propaganda coming from the greatest marketing company this country has ever had. Mainstream media!. It reminds me of when Hitler took over. His chief propaganda officer taught him to repeat a lie often enough until it is believed. That is what the media is once again doing. First with Bush and all thoselies, then with Obama and the lies the foolish county believed, and now will come all the gun scares so tey can disarm the citizens, so only the criminals will have guns. Again like Hitler. Tell the lie till it is believed, then disarmed the people, so no one could fight back and millions were lead to their deaths.. The liberal thought is that when someone goes out to rape and kill which are all ready crimes, that these guns laws will surely make them think twice...NOT...It will only make me helpless, and avictum. Everyone has the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. God gives us the right to protect ourselves and our love ones from those that would do evil to us. But that is really what this is all about ...making us so helpless that we will gladly give up our freedoms and our rights to the new ruling political class for a false sense of security. Hitler would be so proud we learned his lessons well. After we disarm the law abidingcitizens, what group will they go after to round up and exterminate...We waste so much time in this country not punishing those who commit the crimes, but go after the citizens trying to protect there selves, there property and there AMERICA HAS LOST HIS WAY...More lies of the new president.

2 votes

#1.20 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 3:04 AM EDT

jbdaad

Mainstream media!. It reminds me of when Hitler took over. His chief propaganda officer taught him to repeat a lie often enough until it is believed.

Thank you sanity.

Friend request dent.

1 vote

#1.21 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 7:29 AM EDT

Less Gears, I never said I live on 500 acres. You have me mixed up with someone else. I said we own property. Don’t you have a vacation home? Oh I’m sorry; you are two busy hugging trees.

1 vote

#1.22 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 11:59 AM EDT

Puck2u

"Some link economy with crime wave"? Only a moron would not see the connection. BUY AMERICAN!!! It is the only way out of this mess and madness. End of story.

5 votes

#3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:45 PM EDT

GM, Chrysler parts = Mexican, Canadian, Chinese. Ontario, Canada; Machau, China; Toluca, Mexico and Shanghai, China

Foreign" cars and parts (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, KIA, BMW, Mercedes-Benz) being made at:California, Oregon, Tennesse, Texas, Washington, New Mexico, Arizona, Louisianna, Ohio, Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, Georgia, Nevada, Virginia, Indiana (2008), etc.. The profits from sales remain in the US and reinvested as learned in US Business School, taught by American W.E. Deming. example: Dec 2008, Honda Indiana Plant/Factory. 2009 Toyota, Mississippi Plant/Factory. versus GM, Ford, Chrysler, 2009, closure 1/3 US Plants, layoff 1/3 US "Work Force" while retaining Machau, China; Toluca, Mexico and Shanghai, China Plants/Factories these foreign plants/factories were built using previous US Bailout Money. Reason that they will do this is to become "economically viable" irregardless of the effect to the US. The cost to implement the 2009 Restructuring Plans is approximately 150 Billion USD +17.4 Billion USD. The casualities will be more of US Citizens, unemployed.

This is why under the "Buy Only US Products, Goods and Services" Laws the US Military cannot buy from GM, Ford, Chrysler and has to maintain Government Owned Nationally Dispersed Factories to manufacturer and assemble US Military Equipment to support the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. With the (GOGO Government Owned Government Operated and GOCO Government Owned Contractor Operated) Factories building US Military Equipment supporting the War at Iraq closing resulting in US Civilian Layoffs under BRAC, Base Realignment and Closures.

2 votes

#3.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:16 PM EDT

Puck2u

LOL...Wow david-475776. You don't know where the profits for those foreign car sales go do you? To the country where those firms are operated out of, that is where. You have been brainwashed like all the other supid American foreign car buyers. Do you know what the GNP is? Do you know how it helps our country to have a manufacturing base? I don't think you will be able to comprehend this but I will try anyway. What does Africa have? NOTHING!!! What does Mexico have? NOTHING!!! What does Afghanistan have? NOTHING!!! And many other poor nations. Why?, you now ask. Very simple. NO MANUFACTURING!!! See how poor those countries are. See where we are headed. Geezzzz. It isn't rocket science. You cannot employ your people with out manufacturing. Those foreign car makers who have "a" plant here do not employ near the number of people a domestic manufacturer can. So take all your fluffy data you posted and try to brainwash someone else. I already know how all this works. It would be best if you learned it too. Or better yet, just go back to sleep. We don't need nay-sayers, nor people who take no pride in their country and what it produces. End of story.

1 vote

#3.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 8:04 AM EDT

jbdaad

Puck2u

"Some link economy with crime wave"? Only a moron would not see the connection

Some really can not see or/and refuse to acknowledge the underlying facts. Somehow people need to be made aware of the underlying reasons for stress related crime.

Friend request sent.

1 vote

#3.3 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 8:20 AM EDT

sorry going off topic here

jbdaad...I am really new to this and accidently removed friend request. I am going to try to send one to u...If I am unsucessful please resend...TY...and sorry

1 vote

#3.4 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 8:43 PM EDT

jbdaad

lisa lu-530843

jbdaad...I am really new to this and accidently removed friend request. I am going to try to send one to u...If I am unsucessful please resend...TY...and sorry

I am too. Welcome.

#3.5 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:04 PM EDT

You sir are a great man for telling it like it is. Amen and pass the ammo. The @!$%#e is about to hit the fan and I would hope that you ALL are prepared to defend yourselves not only from your own government but your hungry, jobless, desperate next door neighbor as well.

7 votes

#4 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:49 PM EDT

Matty Mo

Seriously? You end of the world zealots crack me up. Thanks for informing the rest of us that the end times are near. I better get my guns ready because someone on a message board tells me how bad things are going to get.

2 votes

#4.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:24 PM EDT

Sit there and do nothing. It's all good. Don't come crying to me when you have no job, no money, no house, and people are trying to take what little you have left. I think you'll be screwed but that's just my opinion. Oh wait do I even get to voice one of those? Nope I live in Amerika where you can't offend anyone. Lord forbid you piss someone off you might get the ACLU called on you.

3 votes

#4.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:55 PM EDT

Tom-618899

Some food for thought, re: Matty Mo's comment. It's not the end of the world, it's just it never changes and only gets weirder...

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

The Second Coming, William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)

1 vote

#4.3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:26 PM EDT

Waterdog49

Tom: I give Yeats great credit for envisioning Obama, the rough, slouching beast, way back then, and now it's here, so what the heck do we do about it? The first stanza perfectly describes Election Night 2008. I could have died right then and there. Hopeless.

3 votes

#4.4 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 11:41 PM EDT

You'd be the first one I'd shoot when you came running up to my house with your "education" and asked me for help because no one would listen to your educated drivel about how great our govenmnet is.

1 vote

#6 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT

I am a Conservative and a Capitalist, HappyS with her Socialistic beliefs needs to go back to France.

This great country was created by patriots like ourselves. You have the right to believe as you wish. I am willing to fight and die for your right to believe and say what you want. Are you willing to fight and die for my Constitutional Rights? Right’s that so many have shed blood for in the past.

6 votes

#6.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:27 PM EDT

That’s great to hear. Don’t you have news in your own country to comment on? You are not a US Citizen and you have no right to free speech in this country. Share your Socialists beliefs with your own countrymen please; when another country invades you again, I’ll be sure not to save your ass’s again. You are an easy target now that you’re all grown up and UNARMED!

11 votes

#6.3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:38 PM EDT

Amen JonBoy!

4 votes

#6.4 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:45 PM EDT

Big Al-369306

Wow no way to defend yourself or your loved ones I could never imagine not being armed. I hope you will stay safe in your country but in my opinion if you ever get attacked your screwed... WWII should be a stark reminder for you and your country of what can happen when the general populace is stripped of arms.

8 votes

#6.5 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:50 PM EDT

happysocialist985 - is one of those chickenhawks. French let the Germans in the French Foreign Legion fight for them. (200,000 Germans). So I guess mercenaries is really the French 21st Century way of doing things.

So lets update the French Constitution also and the French Tri Color (make it piss yellow, like the streak up your back).

3 votes

#6.6 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:50 PM EDT

MeToo-596567

I would like to know who is voting on her comments, because whoever is needs to comment too.

4 votes

#6.7 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:01 PM EDT

What is with people?

"You are not a US Citizen and you have no right to free speech in this country".

Sorry JonBoy-940031-

Technically if happysocialist985 steps foot anywhere on American soil (and for all we know he/she is actually here in the USA and not in France) as an immigrant or on a Visa, she is guaranteed the right to freedom of speech under the Constitution just like you.

#6.8 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:44 PM EDT

I feel so sorry for all of the city dwellers when you have to stand in bread lines. I won't. I'll be growing my own food, killing my own game and living like a king on my 500 acres. You'll be educated but still hungry.

5 votes

#8 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:19 PM EDT

Did you not even read what I wrote? You truly are a moronic foreign transplant. I said I have not voted in over 10 years. How could I have changed how other people voted? Education has nothing on practical experience. Do they hunt and fish on a regular basis? Do they know how to make their own soap, fuel, clothes, etc,...? Doing it and reading about it are two totally different things.

8 votes

#8.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:33 PM EDT

Matty Mo

I guess a country boy really can survive huh? Listening to a lot of Hank Jr. lately? Seriously, get off your "the world is ending and I'm ready for it," shtick, it's pretty sad.

#8.4 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:28 PM EDT

MeToo-596567

Matty, are you her attorney companion?

3 votes

#8.5 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:03 PM EDT

happysocialist985 - My companion can do all this. As an attorney, he could survive in a tente if needed.

Attorney - Win case by any means necessary, facts are "irrelevant", especially for attorneys that defend criminals and know they are guilty. Live of the misery of others to their benefit.
Sure he would survive in a "tente" (tent) after some one found one for him, put it up for him and handed him a bottle of water. LOL. He is so great send his butt to Northern Afghanistan and you come with him.

And since you do not know how things work, most of the financial things, like what this forum is supposed to be talking about as a possible cause for the rise of crime, were out of President Bush's hand as part of our "outdated" Constitution and part of the checks and balances (Three Branches of Government). Congress holds the "Purse Strings", no matter what the Presidents demand, if Congress does not fund it, it does not get done. That is why we are demanding to Congress to stop the irresponsible taxing and spending. With "The new Boston Tea Party".

1 vote

#8.6 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:12 PM EDT

To Mathew the Homo, MattyMo, I thought I'd clear that up for everyone. Yes a country boy can survive and will survive and yes I do listen to Hank Jr. as well as Hank Sr. I didn't say the world will come to an end did I? IF it does, I'm prepared. Prepared to watch you struggle and plead for help from a government that doesn't give a rats ass about you or your family or friends.

2 votes

#8.7 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:45 PM EDT

Jay-453645

Happy Communist -

Does he bring his wife and kids too?

1 vote

#8.8 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:22 PM EDT

LawyerGirl

David,

Not all attorneys are like that. I could survive in a tent if need be. I live on 200 acres in Virginia. My fiancee and I grow our own food, and he stocks up on ammunition for hunting and the "just in case" scenario. That's a pretty big generalization there.

1 vote

#8.9 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT

Oh by the way I haven't paid taxes or voted in over 10 years so don't give me that bs about it being my fault. You aren't from America originally are you ? I mean you can't even string together a coherent sentence even with spell check.

2 votes

#9 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:23 PM EDT

Where's the snappy reply about what I said about voting? Hmmm? Cat got your tounge? I am fluent in 3 different languages and I live in a country where I still have to push one for English and 2 for Spanish. Now that's way cool don't ya think?

3 votes

#9.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:36 PM EDT

So your here spouting off how great you are, yet you have done nothing to help your country? You don't pay taxes yet feel you still have a leg to stand on. You may be sitting back on your land uneducated and King like, but my educated butt will come and find you, and buy your land cheap from the tax evasion auction, and throw you off it like the serf you are. Will you be happy then?

3 votes

#9.3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:39 PM EDT

That land has been in my family for hundreds of years. If you or anyone else comes and tries to steal it you are in for a rude awakening. There is no way you'd ever take it alive. I'd die defending it. I can say that you have no idea what you are talking about. Try it. I relish the idea of stringing your cold dead carcass across the gate of my compound to make an example of why that would be a bad idea. :-) I'll even give you the address if you want it.

4 votes

#9.4 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:55 PM EDT

No I'm Native american.

5 votes

#9.6 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:10 PM EDT

Well,....? Where's your reply? Come on!Let me hear it! I've been counting coup and you my friend are way behind.

3 votes

#9.7 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT

I guess you were so emotionally neglected and abused that banging your head against a wall damaged your brain huh? Do they make helmets for that? I bet you were such a little cutie in your little plastic helmet rocking back and forth in your padded cell. I would have locked you up and thrown away the key to be honest with you.

2 votes

#9.8 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 3:28 PM EDT

PWRTHTBE, You write:

"I relish the idea of stringing your cold dead carcass across the gate of my compound to make an example of why that would be a bad idea"

And you think you are a good person who needs a handgun? Are you an American, or are you a terrorist? I leave it up to everyone else on here.

4 votes

#9.9 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:12 PM EDT

I am an anarchist that has many guns. Hand guns, rifles, assault rifles and will protect what I have to the death. If that makes me a terrorist then so be it. I'm the new American terrorist if you want to label me. You will never take my guns or my freedom to do and say anything I want. If you try, you will die. This goes for my own government as well.

8 votes

#9.10 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:34 PM EDT

mike-568809

Anarchist huh? So then because of your beliefs you don't take advantage of public services, e.g., roads, unemployment, state parks, police and fire services, public schools, etc. Oh what's that you do take advantage of public services...then you must not be an anarchist...just a punk mama's boy who's trying to be a badass. Guns are for sissies!

2 votes

#9.11 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:33 PM EDT

No I do not take advantage of public services. I live in the middle of nowhere and have everything i need to survive. I do NOT use public utilties, water, electricity etc.I live on private land and generate my own electricty from wind as well as solar power. I drink my water from a well I dug. I haven't travelled on a public road in about 10 years. I've never been on unemployemnt, called the police for protection or needed a fire dept. So Mike, feel free to come visit me and my guns and see who's the sissy. But be forewarned if the dogs don't get you the sniper rifle will. Oh and just to be fair, I might just let you get in the gate so that I can shoot you for tresspassing.

1 vote

#9.12 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:44 PM EDT

fenderbluesjr

Nice to have read your post PWRTHTBE. I myself would be proud to be your nieghbor, providing of course I knew the range of your rifle (LOL), just in case! God bless you, my brother from another mother.

3 votes

#9.13 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:15 PM EDT

To you sir I would gladly share whatever I had with you if you were in need. You are the ones that I look forward to seeing at my doorstep when this really gets ugly. You will always be welcome and have a safe place to find shelter or food. There are more of us out there that are fully intending to fight for our freedoms to the death. It WILL come to that at some point. It may not be this year or next year but it WILL come. I hope you and your family are prepared.

3 votes

#9.14 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:20 PM EDT

happysocialist985 - OH you mean your family stole it from the natives??

Who are natives? The people that came over the land bridge from Asia to America and are related genetically to the eskimos and asians?

That is like native Hawaiian. The people that came 1000s of miles from Polynesia on "great" (large sailing) canoes, using accurate stellar navigation to reach the Hawaiian Islands.

Or are you saying that people just spring up out of the ground and became natives.

After reading your posts here and other forums, seriously, are you mentally challenged? Or just a few years old.

4 votes

#9.15 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:25 PM EDT

1from CommunistCalifornicated

We just need a good revolution to get rid of the happysocialt985's of the world. I'd make it would you?

6 votes

#10 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:25 PM EDT

BRYAN-1012471

I concur :)

#10.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:50 PM EDT

Bring it.....I'm there!!

Semper Fi !!

OneStillPatriotic

#10.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 3:00 AM EDT

TOR-744926

There are many parallels between nazism and socialism.

2 votes

#11 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:31 PM EDT

mike-568809

In name yes. I'm not sure I even see your point...besides the fact that you probably live in a red state, don't have a college degree, and watch too much fox news.

#11.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:35 PM EDT

1from CommunistCalifornicated

Sorry I missed your post Mikey, but not to burst your balloon....Oh, that's your puffed up head...my bad!!

What ever gave you the misfarkin'conception that a degree has the first damn thing to do with intelligence. I know, it was your Marxist professors who led you to believe that the your indoctrination to socialism, via the institutions of higher learning, was an education. Never confuse training in a certain mental discipline with real intelligence. Real intelligence is acquired through experience, common sense and the ability to recognize that, ' you ain't arrived yet.'

Oh, and your remark about watching too much Fox news........so your sources in the MSM are truth, unbiased, and without agenda??? Well comrade, I have this wonderful bridge which is going to Hawaii. We're having a bit of difficulty with the foundation, but when we get that solved, it should be a real money maker !!!

Semper Fi !!

OneStillPatriotic

#11.2 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 3:16 AM EDT

This is what happens when almost half of the money you do manage to make, goes to pay taxes. Roughly 35% of everyones paycheck is taken by taxes before they get it, then in countys like mine in California we now have a 9.75% sales tax. Add those together and 44.75% of my income goes to the government. What am I supposed to live on?

#13 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:32 PM EDT

TROLL AGAIN

happysocialist985 - So who would not envy that ??

Some one with no debts and NOT paying 35% of their paycheck in taxes that are going to executive bonuses who are getting Millions a year in taxpayer money as their salary. This is the typical sheep mentality, put up with anything that is the lesser evil. It is still evil, no matter how much lesser it is, get it? So if they raise it to 36%, then 37%, then 40%, you still going to say "baaa baaaaa, still not 50%". Good you stay in France and pay for all those French Classes for Foreigners and your now almost bankrupt Medical System.

By the way since you are in France it is not "who came to the usa", it is "who went to the usa".

Do you know why your Military salutes with the thumb down and the palm outwards, it means defeated loser.

2 votes

#13.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 6:41 PM EDT

soon it will be like Cater and closer to 70% of every $$$ will go to taxes...Gas lines will be back, no one will be ale to afford gas or electricity

#13.3 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:12 PM EDT

Mordecai Jones

I don't agree with the 70% for everybody. Threre are many of us who feel we see the handwriting on the wall, windows, door, tables, chairs, and floor. Changing asset positions to protect, conserve, and preserve assets is underway now with full attention being paid to Obama's apparent direction.

If there are 70% taxes I think the average joe is who is going to get hit with them. I know that I have enough capital losses and ordinary income losses to cover my income for at least the next five years. Well after Obama is out of office. The average guy has not paid off the mortgage, all debts, and cleared all financial obligations that may be outstanding from the past such as child support, back taxes, and student loans so he will have to stay in the system and continue playing as it drains every last cent out of him. Jimmy Carter's double digit inflation is heading this way and when it gets here it will mean price will double about every six years. Buy now, hold and sell when the inflation starts driving everything through the roof.

This will make my third cycle. The Kennedy/Johnson years were the first and they were good to me. The Carter years were next and I thought I die and went to heaven. I was convinced that I had seen my last opportunity and then Obama was elected and I am singing "Over the Rainbow" for my self but I also sing the boll weevil song for America.

#13.4 - Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:51 PM EDT

1from CommunistCalifornicated

JJd-995381

I think there are two groups to blame here,first is the rightwing talk show mouth pieces,Glen Beck comes to mind,Rushie,Sean,Bachmann,are what sane folks refer to as loco.They spew there republican talking points that Obama wants there AK and taking there nine mill away from them.Most of these wingnuts should not have a cap gun let alone a real gun.They are easily led,and believe these wackos.Second I blame education,both about guns and book learning, to think for ones self,believing that everyone is out to get them,the republicans have most of these folks scared of there own shadow.Fear is the devils work,maybe if people where not so under-educated they could figure out this stuff and not wait for Glen or Rush to tell them what to think.

2 votes

#16 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT

So JJD,

You think I need to be educated to the level that you are at?? Then check your post, grammar boy. And while you're at it, get un-hooked on phonics, translated, spelling for the doofuss. Speaking of under-educated, you couldn't spot the devil, if he was wearing a gold lamme suit with a shiny black tophat, sittin' on your living room couch, watchin' CNN with your sorry azz.

Wake up you indoctrinated socialist. You heads so far up your azz that it's positioned on your shoulders once again, thereby giving the illusion that you are ' all right .' Go back to the university, so's they can teach you how to sew those ' Red ' stars on all your garments, butt-heddd!!!

Semper Fi !!

OneStillPatriotic

#16.1 - Thu Apr 9, 2009 3:31 AM EDT

Tex-988483

Hmmmm. The economy might be a root source for rage and violence? Poverty, class, a New age of Robber Barons, inability to afford a Doktor, wars for Empire, a vast system of choking regulation and rule, lack of education, hopelessness, the evisceration of the Bill of Rights, the crash and burn of our Constitutional and Democratic Republic? Hmmm.....

Point being, I believe there are many factors involved in the recent trend towards mayhem we are currently witnessing in the US of A. I would suggest that unless these problems are dealt with in a rational and intellectual manner post haste we are going to get more of the same coming to a strip mall near you.

It is simplistic and short sighted to grasp at a notion that elimination of the tool rather than a serious undertaking to alter the root problems will solve anything. Besides, we have that pesky lil ol Bill O Rights and Natural Law to get rid of prior to a slide toward utter Tyranny and serfdom.

Look, I'm radical progressive liberal left tree huggin leftneck. I voted for Obama. That sed I had little illusion that he would be much different than what we had prior. The new boss, same as the old boss and all that. Still, we are better off than those last yayhoos that were running things. On that note, had my dawg been elected Pres, we'd still be better off. I support such thangs as socialized medicine, mo and better education and the redistribution of wealth. I'm bottom of the barrel blue collar working class hero and the trickle down economy never trickled down to me or any of my comrades.

Now, I say all that in response to happysocialist as I am an ardent supporter of not only the second amendment but the entire Bill of Rights and the concept of Natural Law. Self defense is basic on the list. The Founding White Fellers stuck it right up there at the top. I have no conflict with supporting an armed citizenry and my non mainstream political viewpoint. It just isn't a right/left issue.

Hey, my neighbors are all armed to the teeth, as am I. I do not feel frightened or unsafe. Quite the contrary. It is rather comforting. There is no inherent pathology to gun ownership nor the defense of the Bill of Rights. On the other hand, there might be some sort of odd complex and masochistic process involved in wishing to give up Natural Rights and a wish to be ruled and safe at all times. A Free Society is inherently a dangerouls and messy thang. Many have neither the heart nor the fortitude to deal with an unfettered life. Hence, in my opinion all the immediate anti liberty points of view that arise whenever bad things happen.

Hell, I'm already a peasant. No doubt about it. I'm just not ready to become a serf.

Respectfully, I am just suggesting that rather than taking the easiest path and demonizing a piece of machinery and folk that admire them perhaps a deeper look into the unpleasant and difficult task of fixing the real problems that make beserkers might be a more enlightened approach.

We live in perilous times and I wish everyone the best. Regardless of point of view.

Molon Labe

5 votes

#17 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 2:57 PM EDT

Tex-988483

Well, I don't have much of a problem with a socialist outlook. In many aspects we have had some form or another of socialism here in the US for a long time. Perhaps you didn't read my post thoroughly. I think I mentioned a support for socialized med and a harder effort toward education here. Personally I believe that unfettered capitalism isn't such a good thang. Obviously. The gap between the folk that own everything and the rest of us goobers has reverted back to the era of Robber Barons.

There was never an intent to label you as a "serf". I do not resort to personal insult, name calling and seldom get involved with the dead paradigm of right/left dem/repub so prevelant these days.

To clarify, though I think it pretty transparent in my post, I feel that folk who champion an anti freedom/liberty agenda wherein the 2nd amendment goes are doing little more than advocating a slide toward despotism and tyranny in a long view. The problems are far more serious and deep rooted than a hoplophobic point of view.

Perhaps in, and I have absolutely nothing against the French, your country the government is utterly benign and has nothing but the welfare of it's lowest citizens at heart. Here the story is a bit different. We have a gargantuan military industrial complex, battle rattle clad military hardware packing local poleece forces, a corporate oligarchy at the helm and things are always on the verge of slipping into territory we would regret.

The Founding Honkies insistence on the 2nd is a response to just such concern. I prefer a free and armed citizenry despite the dangerous consequence. No one granted us the right to self defense. No king. Pres. Crown or Representative Gov. It is, as the Framers pointed out often, Natural law and applies to everyone. Everywhere.

Despite our colliding points of view I wish you the best.

Paint Draw Eat Vitamins.....

5 votes

#17.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:39 PM EDT

Well said TEX,

I am proud to call you a fellow countrymen and Constitutional Warrior!

We may disagree in some things, but we will never disagree on what made this county great!

2 votes

#17.3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT

Tex-988483

Thanks pard. Disagreement is not a bad thing. It is how you approach differences, argue them and resolve them.

In Solidarity

Nemo Me Impune Lacesset

2 votes

#17.4 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:53 PM EDT

Mona-382932Deleted

Gayle-324397

happysocialist - your first post "What an idiotic comment" - and the facts. To show us that you know what you're talking about, why don't you come out of the gate just a little slower and not have a derogatory sentence to start it off? You cause me to think I don't need to be here, on this board, because YOU have all the answers and no one else knows anything but you! But I'll keep reading. You're probably gonna have a lot more to say, cause like I said, I'm only at your FIRST comment!

#20 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:44 PM EDT

SMVCPA

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society” – J. Krishnamurti

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

And in the words of a great American leader from over 200 years ago written to the Secretary of State “The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.”

Society today is composed of a series of institutions…from political institutions, legal institutions, religious institutions…to institutions of social class, familial values and occupational specialization. It is obvious the profound influence these traditionalized structures (e.g. republican=democrat) have in shaping (and manipulating) our understandings and perspectives.

Yet, of all the social institutions we are born into, directed by and conditioned upon, there seems to be no system as taken for granted and misunderstood…as the monetary system. Taking on nearly religious proportions, the established monetary institution exists as one of the most unquestioned forms of faith there is. How money is created, the policies by which it is governed and how it truly affects society are unregistered interests of the great majority of the population. In a world where 1% of the population owns 40% of the planet's wealth…in a world where 34,000 children die every single day from poverty and preventable diseases, and where 50% of the world's population lives on less than 2 dollars a day… one thing is clear: Something is very wrong. And whether we are aware of it or not, the lifeblood of all of our established institutions and thus society itself, is money.

Those of you who believe the country has somehow miraculously changed from a century of lies, deception, and in general insider led design for a new world order are grossly mistaken, possibly to the detriment of the entire world. There has been no changing of the guard, and the wolves are still in the hen house people. Those wise men and women at the John Birch Society, and leaders such as Ron Paul know the insiders have never had a stronger hold on the inner workings of our government. And yes, followers of the new lord our god Obama, this includes our less than illustrious new leader. Note he is a member of the CFR, and was regularly giving speeches to their society until his membership was “surrendered” as is common for every president for almost a hundred years before him. Civil war is almost upon this nation as those of us who know the truth acknowledge we approach the mathematical certainty that there are so many debt dollars now in the world that the country cannot service all this debt and meet current interest due, never mind the impossibility of ever paying off the principle. As a CPA with a PHD in math I can assure you the truth of this. Do you know what is going on in this country fellow citizens? If you haven't visited the states, like New England, Florida, western New York, all of California, Nevada, and most of the South, you have no idea the extent of the unemployed, homeless, and jobless. When was the last time a bridge was built or a new road laid down? WAKE UP people. Stop bickering and blaming each other (in other words don’t do what they tell you), turn your brains on for a change, and research the truth. For the love of god actually read the constitution (you know most of you don’t know it). Watch zeitgeist movies online for free, then research the facts, which are true and easily searchable for those who haven’t forgotten how to turn off the TV and read words in books or online, visit infowars.com, watch prisonplanettv.com, raisethefist.com, jbs.com, Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty, End The Fed, and understand we must break from the federal criminals we call our government, and join together to restore liberty and the republic. Even now 8 states in this great nation have resolutions to restore the 9^th and 10^th amendment rights to the states, and 20 more have resolutions in the works and expect to have them on the floor of the state congress by year end. For the rest of you cowards who don't want the truth and a better life for ourselves and our children, and prefer slavery to a true republic , bury your head in the sand and wait for the rest of us to do what you are too afraid to do.

1 vote

#21 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 4:47 PM EDT

Another fellow Patriot!

Welcome to the United States, home of the brave, the free, and the home of Constitutional Warriors like this this person!

#21.1 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 5:06 PM EDT

Not a republican

And why should i support a state that would not allow same sex marriage, states should not have that right to decide if i can marry the Constitution states all men are created equal so if that is there goal of mob rule i am against it.

#21.2 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 7:54 PM EDT

BRYAN-1012471

Who gives a @!$%# about gay marriage all these issue's we're facing this is about 3rd from the bottom of the list. Why get married its not working out that well for striaght ppl you think they can do any better. Stay single, it's cheaper.

2 votes

#21.3 - Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:59 PM EDT